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Will Woods

Hi Martin, From a personal perspective I really enjoyed this although the time pressure got to me a bit because I enjoyed the research so much it was getting frustrating trying to fit it all in. I wanted to get references to the cacheless society as I saw a really good talk about that recently but Nikki was nagging me to 'get off the damn computer' last night so I stopped.

I'm not sure how useful it was from an overall perspective. I felt like you and Ray had already covered the big stuff by the time Patrick and I joined in so the sequential nature of it limited our engagement a bit. A bit like in a 'chaired' meeting where everyone has to go through the chair. It wasn't as free flowing as a wiki and the comments on posts (or replies) were difficult to seed between all the sites so lots of interlinking and small offshoot of discussions taking place. I did really have fun though and it's a great reference since I'll pick up some of the threads again in my work.

I'm also concerned that it was too long to read, it was fine for me as I was part of the experiment but it was probably too much for eveyone else and smaller chunks would have been more palitable. So perhaps small bites of this issue taken over a longer period and with a larger group of contributers using a public wiki would work better?

AJ Cann

Thanks for trying this Martin. When term starts next week, I won't have time to read/write any post longer than

Doug Clow

TLDR. :-)


Doug - TLDR - GRRRR!
This worries me slightly in that I have made the case that blogging is a scholarly activity and that there is real intellectual discussion and material to be found in blogs. If we start feeling that blog postings have to be short then maybe it's playing in to the hands of the dumbing down crowd and the Keens of this world. It's all short posts linking to each other. Sometimes there are things that need to be long in order to be covered effectively. Or am I just making excuses for my verbosity?

Doug Clow

I was, of course, joking - for clarity, I agree with you entirely. (And have read the lot.)

It depends what you're trying to do. There's a terrible tendency in the blogosphere to see the blogosphere as the thing that matters. If you want high traffic and links, then you need short, punchy, partisan posts, and lots of them. (If you want Technorati mojo, you better be about new technology too.)

But there's more than one way to do it. Or rather, you can do more than one thing with the technology.

If you're trying to have an open, timely discussion of an interesting issue then short, punchy and partisan is the wrong direction. I think this experiment has been a huge success - it seems to me to be an interesting new academic form of discussion, with pluses and minuses compared to other forms (see me avoid the 'A' word!). And it certainly got me thinking in new ways. And that's what I want from blogs.

(Plus gadgets and cute kittens, but I can go elsewhere for those. *grin*)

AJ Cann

Case partly proven Martin, but much of the value is in synthesis (links) not longwindedness.


Hi Martin,

I thought this was an nice idea, but I too found myself skipping parts of the longer posts - mainly because I hadn't expected to come across anything that long in a blog. I decided to see how it would work if all four blogs were aggregated together in a single feed, so I created this yahoo pipe http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=ymK6GMVw3BGFbaADJphxuA I'm not all that proficient at this, so the source of each post still does not appear with the title, and the four parts are not adjacent to each other. Still, it was an interesting exercise, and I've read much more of all the blogs than I had before :)


Thanks Gill - this is interesting, although the further we get away from the debate, then the less bearing the posts have to each other. I feel as though I've been through some machine like in The Fly and been gene spliced to produce patrickraywillmartin. Not a pleasant image..


Good point, and I feel that if I can get the pipes to work the way I'd like, it would be much easier to stay on topic, as it were.

This has now become my preferred displacement activity, even beating Facebook :D I've filtered out the non debate related posts. Your first two posts are proving difficult to filter in for some reason. Next displacement activity will be to sort them into the correct order and work out how to display all the comments along with each post in this pipe a new pipe http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=yguecbtx3BGnf6mFEpPZnA

I can understand your disinclination to be spliced together into an amorphous MartinRayPatrickWill entity - didn't occur to me at the time, so I've deleted that one.

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